naujo ECU specifikacija

2008 Sausio 08 d. 21:40

sveiki,
kadangi kaip žinia nuo šių metų ECU standartizuotas, gal internete kas nors matė plačiai publikai prieinamos dokumentacijos? būtų baisiai įdomu žvilgterėt kaip vis dėlto jis veikia.

2008 Sausio 08 d. 22:08

bebrai > čia pas ferarį reikia klaust. Tik jie sugeba slaptas informacijas dideliais kiekiais viešint - tai Tojotai, tai Maklarenams ir t.t.
Įdomu ką tu turi omenyje po klausimu kaip ji veikia...... Kiek suprantu iš bendro išsilavinimo tai ji veikti pradeda kai gauna maitinimą nuo generatoriaus ir srovės lygintuvų. Tada transformatoriuje el. srovė verčiama į nustatytą ir impulsai pradeda sklisti visais kanalais, puslaidininkiams kreipiant ar stabdant srovės impulsus priklausomai nuo nustatytų ir užprogramuotų veiksnių, kurie gali būti įtakojami įvairiausių išorinių ir vidinių daviklių, rėlių. Toki el. impulsai apdoroti nustatyta seka paduodami į numatytas šakas ir valdo pajungtus įrenginius...... Va taip ir veikia.....

2008 Sausio 08 d. 22:20

Jo... :D

2008 Sausio 08 d. 23:20

bebras > nesidominau dar, tik va to apsimetancio protingu neklausyk, ba anas jau pakvakes kaip reikals(makentosininkas blondinas) :)

Stai kas rasoma apie glaudu ir itempta Microsoft ir MAKLAREN bendradarbiavima, apie ECU:

Microsoft and McLaren Electronic Systems Win Race to Provide Electronic Technology to the FIA Formula One World Championship for 2008 to 2010
New electronic solutions to provide cost-effective power train control plus high-speed data delivery and analysis capabilities to all Formula One teams.

PARIS — Dec. 11, 2006 — Microsoft Corp. and McLaren Electronic Systems (MES) today formally announced that they are to be the official suppliers of engine control units (ECUs) to the Fédèration Internationale de l’Automobile (FIA) Formula One World Championship for the 2008, 2009 and 2010 racing seasons.
As part of the FIA’s commitment to reduce costs, increase competition, and support fuel efficiency and energy recovery initiatives in Formula One, it tendered the contract for the appointment of a supplier of standard ECUs and associated software. The winning bid, jointly presented by MES and Microsoft, was confirmed by the FIA on July 5, 2006, following a meeting of the World Motorsport Council. The three parties have now finalized the contracts.
MES will work with Microsoft to develop the ECU systems and will then manufacture and supply the units to all competing Formula One teams for installation on their vehicles. The ECUs will monitor all aspects of the power train and gather data from over 100 sensors located on each car. Generating on average 100 KB to 500 KB of data per second, one car’s ECU will potentially gather more than 1 GB of information from the sensors during a grand prix race. This data will be continuously broadcast in real time back to systems located in the pit-side garage of each Formula One team for detailed analysis.
These systems will provide enhanced capabilities to process high-fidelity health and performance information; the ability to store and compare historical data from tests drives, previous races and dyno runs; and the verification of car setup and race strategy simulations. As a result, faster vehicle setup and race strategy decisions may be made.
Together, MES and Microsoft will streamline the ability of both Formula One pit-side racing teams and their engineering colleagues to access, share and analyze data in real time, to make quicker, better and more-informed decisions. The two companies will continue to extend this technology during the life of the project. This will be achieved by integrating the latest high-performance computing using Microsoft® Windows Vista™, Microsoft SQL Server™ 2005, the 2007 Microsoft Office system, and other Microsoft software platforms and products as appropriate.
“With the best interests of motorsport at heart, we have introduced new regulations that will help cut costs while also retaining each team’s ability to compete hard and sustain safety levels,” said Max Mosley, president of the FIA. “The tender process gave us an opportunity to view proposals from different suppliers. We selected what we consider is the most efficient and cost-effective solution for providing ECUs to the Formula One community. We will follow this project closely and look forward to seeing the results in 2008.”
“We have been involved in Formula One and other forms of professional motorsport for 15 years and already work with all the Formula One teams,” said Peter van Manen, managing director of MES. “We are delighted to be working closely with Microsoft and the FIA to supply the standard ECUs to Formula One. Our work with Microsoft allows us to combine MES’ considerable knowledge and experience of providing systems at the highest levels of motorsport with Microsoft’s innovative technologies to deliver the best electronic system possible.”
“In all industries, Microsoft’s aim is to provide people with the right technology and the right tools to enable them to succeed in their business, while also keeping costs to a minimum,” said Manuel Simas, director of worldwide automotive industry at Microsoft. “This is exactly what we are offering to all of the Formula One teams. We are very excited to be involved in this development with MES, of what we believe will be a robust, scalable and easy-to-use system. We are looking forward to working with MES and the FIA on this project over the coming years.”
About FIA
The Fédèration Internationale de l’Automobile (“FIA”) represents the interests of motoring organisations and motor car users throughout the world and is also the governing body of motorsport worldwide, including the FIA Formula One World Championship. This combination of road and track gives the FIA a unique responsibility as an independent world body concerned with a wide range of automotive, motoring and mobility issues. On issues such as safety, mobility, the environment and consumer law, the FIA actively promotes the interests of motorists at the United Nations, within the European Union and other international bodies. More information can be found online at http://www.fia.com.
About McLaren Electronic Systems
McLaren Electronic Systems has been developing, manufacturing and deploying advanced electronic control and data systems at the highest levels of motorsport for more than 15 years. During this time the company has worked with most of the major automotive manufacturers and constructors in open-wheel, sports car, rally and motorbike applications. In Formula One, the control systems from McLaren Electronic Systems have clocked-up many thousands of race miles on different cars and engines over the years. The company develops and manufacturers its hardware platforms and software in purpose built premises in the UK. McLaren Electronic Systems has been ISO9000 accredited for over 10 years covering all hardware and software design, manufacturing and testing activities. More information can be found online at http://www.mclarenelectronics.com.
About Microsoft in Automotive
Microsoft has been present in the automotive industry for over 10 years, providing OEM and manufacturing companies in the automotive industry with innovative technology and helping people do their jobs in a more efficient and effective way. Microsoft helps automotive companies achieve real-time collaboration and true plant-floor intelligence, gain visibility across the global supply chain, and employ mobility solutions that help grow their business and set it apart from the competition. In addition to the Automotive Manufacturing unit, Microsoft also has a dedicated Automotive Business Unit that works with automakers and their suppliers to provide state-of-the-art in-car communication, information and entertainment experiences. Microsoft’s automotive-grade operating systems power more 65 in-car devices from 18 automakers and suppliers.
About Microsoft Manufacturing
Microsoft, in conjunction with its team of industry leaders, delivers enterprise solutions to a range of manufacturers including those in vertical industries such as automotive, chemical, consumer packaged goods, high technology, and oil and gas. These industry-specific solutions provide a flexible, scalable and reliable platform that helps to enable businesses to be more agile and connected. As a result, manufacturers can shorten product development cycles, integrate operations with partners and suppliers, acquire and share intelligence in real time, and more
easily communicate with customers. More information about Microsoft in manufacturing can be found online at http://www.microsoft.com/manufacturing.
About Microsoft
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2008 Sausio 09 d. 00:04

1 protingas> pas tave pastebimi minties suoliai, neisdestei is kur atsiranda impulsai, ir kodel butent jais yra valdomas ECU, papasakok issamiau kaip puslaidininkiai kreipia ir stabdo sroves, apie toki dalyka dar nesu girdejes, mano kukliomis ziniomis tai atlieka diodai, kondikai bei sunto varzos.

2008 Sausio 09 d. 10:14

MS1986 > o tai kas yra diodas? Tai ir yra puslaidininkis, kuris į vieną pusę leidžia srovę o į kitą ne. Ne taip? Tokiu principu padarytos visos mikroschemos, tranzistoriai. Gyvų diodų, taip sakant tų su 2 kojom jau vargu ar berasi - visi interguoti. Va mikroschema dėl tokių diodų veikimo, pagal seką, kuri priklauso nuo programos ir papildomų veiksmų - tarkim daviklių signalų generuoja savo signalus, siunčiamus į įrenginius, kuriuos ir turi valdyti ta ECU.
Va taip ir veikia. Beje elektriniai impulsai kaip ir minėjau atsiranda kai pradeda veikti generatorius. Bolide be abejo tam yra nuolatiniai maitinimo šaltiniai....(Gal Duracelis?) :)

2008 Sausio 09 d. 20:49

duck hunter> mažokai techinių detalių bet dėkui, yra šio to įdomaus.
kaip veikia puslaidininkis aš žinau, man įdomu kokie konkrečiai sensoriai stovi bolide, kokiu principu realizuotas duomenų surinkimas bei perdavimas ir ką konkrečiai ecu valdo.

2008 Sausio 09 d. 23:30

As nelabai supratau, bet kazka suzinojau :D

An Electronic Contol Unit simply recieves information usually in the form of a voltage input, which is then converted or read as a thing. It then may be passed onto another component to alter its performance in order to coordinate an array of electronically controlled Engine, Gearbox subsytems that must work together in order to get the maxium or at least the prescribed dialed vehicle performance that is wanted.

For example .1 Mvolt on input A might mean a water temp of 210F if that is the calibrated reading that the ECU expects to see.

There is a huge amount of adjustments to make if the ECU is expecting certain readings, just in the terms of potentiometers, that they ouput properly to correctly calibrate with the software. If the Calibration is corrected via software that the software is able to not only correct itself but then remain true linear to the expected inputs pr of performing algorithms that they are correct through the range of input. All modern cars have them and its pretty difficult to fit a Mercedes ECU to a BMW I can tell you that for free.

Testing is another issue ensuring that exactly what is being recorded is exactly what is happening so the equipment needs to be indepentantly proofed, if the teams don't do this effectively they may be getting contrary information from inputs they think they are applying to the vehicle. That can be detrimental for a season if this happens. Its like reinventing the wheel but a neccessary evil to provide the basis of diagnostics physical when issues with electronic monitoring fail to get results.

The main function of the ECU standartization is to limit all the inputs from the car to a standard list, which is the same for all the teams.

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